Wanna go out and meet some cute boys!

[jplatt39]

I think that taking money for sex is prostitution and if you want to start getting into what specific bgs will and won't do, well I do think that this is getting a bit too defensive. The bottom line is that even if you have only a certain type you sell to it is still pretty indiscriminate. I am not knocking it, I have a type and I shag them indiscriminately when I am up for it, but I do not take money. I always joke with my friends I may be a slut but I am not a *****...it is the boundary where money is exchanged that I would become a prostitute I suppose.

 

[VICTORY]

I have never posted so much on any forum in my life, you guys are passionate here.

Eric where you from? Jag نr sjنlv halv svensk. Thanks for the welcome! Yes I have tried all those and some are great, I will be at Irish Exchange Thursday night for sure, love it there, Like Robinhood, Hardrock is just too damn crowded if you come just for the bar. So yes I do know that trick, I am more worried about getting to Phuket at this point as I have had experiences now in Pattaya and Hua Hin and hope it does not follow those patterns.

 

[Your Uncle Dodge!]

Buddy, thank you so much for seeing my point.

 

[sharpz]

Its laughable that you mention a resort near Pattaya,

Pattaya being the worst possible place to be if you actually want to avoid the P4P scene, these lads were not in pattaya for the sex? I find that hard to believe and think they were possibly pulling you leg.

There are places to go in thailand where you will find more foreigners and less of the bargirl scene , bangkok, pattaya and paton are probably best avoided in your case.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Its not unfair or untrue, it free market forces and capaitlism... People open bars that make money.. Bars that cater to tastes that dont have enough support go belly up.. Bars with a complete lack of 'scene' tend to cater not to westerners.. Its sounds like you want something for westerners without any scene, its doubtfull that this would be a money making operation.

You may be looking for something that does not really exist in Patong, theres a couple of places kinda right but none I would go to much, Scruffys is expensive and the band bothers me, plus I find the people hiding in there (couples etc) tend to be too 'straight' for my tastes, Bangla Bars are fine for a daytime drink but dull after.. The thing is money talks and the bars that cater to what you are looking for have had a tough time finding enough clientelle to stay in business (Home didnt look too busy after all that investment and I hear is for sale) I guess not as many people as you think are here looking for that nieche, if there were as in any free market there would be a business to cater to them..



That was the rate of total infections in the population of 18 - 35 year old sexually active women on Phuket (I assume what you mean by the cumulative rate) not rate of new infections, that I provided.. I think you would agree that is a very high target demographic.. That data was mid to late last year..



I dont at all, as I stated in my earlier posts I know a few women who like the place immensely.. They come and have a great time.. They dont feel uncomfortable at all..

In my experience the ones that do have a bad time with it seem to have a problem with not getting enough attention.. The only times I hear BG's getting flack are from girls less confident that perhaps yourself.. The 'oh its disgusting' brigade generally find a Thai disco disgusting but think nothing of a girl ****ing in a club toilet back home.. Its a double standard I react to..

Anyway I have no argument or beef with you.. I hope you find what you are looking for but feel you are coming to an new environment and gearing yourself up be dissapointed.. This is what it is, love it or hate it, I dont see it changing soon..

 

[Sudeep King of Scorn]

jaybee always the ANAList. we were taliking about relationships so i presume we were talking about adults. where you got children from i dont know. reading that post (and it took a few attempts) your basically saying they have been brought up in a culture where someone in any relationship has to be inferior and humility (which i would call submissive traits) in a woman are valued. no arguaments here thats exactly what i said.


i did say equals and just because i would rather treat someone as such why do you think that automatically the woman would control the relationship. i think someone has some serious confidence issues when it comes to western women.

 

[kerry]

i'm all for discussion and a bit of friendly debating never hurt anyone but a lot of times bm's rubbish other people's views in an aggressive way which i think there isnt a need for. if people put their own oppinions in a thread without being nasty and respected others views then surely people would be more willing to express views without fears of loads of bm's ganging up on them.

 

[03terrier]

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Yeah mikee I was most certainly talking about those quite bloaks like yourself... Someday mike maybe you can try to get out of your shell mg:

 

[sriteja]

Ok but thats not the definition you just posted.. please keep these goalposts somewhere....

In 99% of male female relationships money is exchanged.. does that make marriage prostitution (some cynics would argue it does)..

Say I have a TGF that I see only a couple of times a month.. Sometimes we had sex sometimes we just hang out.. She has a crappy lifestyle and doesnt have money and I do, so sometimes I give her money and sometimes I do not.. Does that make her a prostitute ?? Now would it make a difference if I gave her money on the times I screwed her or not ?? What about if I lend or give her money and dont sleep with her (and I have done this many times) but like her company.. Is she a prostitute for being my companion ?? Is it the sex act that defines it ??

I have a live in GF that needs money for fags / drinks with her mates / general life.. I give her a fixed allowance.. Is she a prostitute ??? Now if that allowane instead of being a few 1000 per month pocket money become 60,000 per month.. Is she a prostitute then ?? So does the amount given define prostitution ?? and if so who is being taken advaneforum.xxxe off ??

This is why Thailand and Asia is so very different from 'prostitution' in the west.. The areas get blurred.. The lines are not defined.. Theres too much grey area...

I have met loads of girls in bars and paid the first night but who freely volenteered thier time after that, so was that one night with a prostitute and the rest a normal relationship ?? Or is it sell yourself once and be branded for life ??

 

[Bambi]

You miss my point; your dictionary definition, which of course is completely correct, reflects a predominantly Judeo-Christian, and overtly moralistic rather than legalistic, view of prostitution. Taken outside of that moral framework (and I must be honest and say that I think the Judeo-Christian moral framework has left a lot to be desired over the past few thousand years) simply equating money for sex as 'prostitution', with all the emotional loading that that word carries, is somewhat simplistic. The vast majority of relationships between any two people have an economic dimention; it is merely a question of nature and degree.

You may also wish to consider that some of the board members have long term Thai girl friends (myself included); by calling them all prostitutes you are less than likely to endear yourself to those other members, irrespective of whether or not you believe the term to be correctly used.

 

[mrs. holden caulfield.]

Liam you are a product of your environment and obviously have no quarms about todays western society I was not brought up like this and in our house the man was always in charge so the whole situation of a women taking control does not sit well with me. My father was a very strong man and imposed his ideals on all of us wether for good or bad I do not want to change who I am or my herrieforum.xxxe, the men in our family are the providers and the women are the strength to bind it.

 

[WATCHA]

I think it is reasonable to define prostitute as a girl who takes money for sex. I agree many can argue that what I would call opportunists, are also prostitutes but I see a clear distinction because the opportunist is more discriminate which is why I think the definition of indiscriminate is fitting for prostitution and would argue that you were just splitting hairs when you challenged that. In poor countries the lines are always more blurred and I know a guy who came back to Sweden believing he met the women of his dreams, she had fed him some complete BS story about being a virgin and he was the one, this after a week, amazing she waited 27 years before that. Anyway, she had him sending her money etc. I would not call her a prostitute but rather a con-artist. There are also girls who, if you could read their hearts, are not in love with the men they marry but do it to get a better life, I would call them opportunists. In the latter situations my sympathy is with the men 110% I would hate to wake up one day and realise someone was with me for any reason other than love.

In your last example, where the girl took pay the first night but then chose to spend time with you...yes you were dating a prostitute. Don't know what you got but you made her want to turn it social with you, but it does not cease to make her a prostitute by trade.

I do not think there is such a difference between prostitution here and prostitution anywhere else. Look at any girls hailing from places of economic need and you will see the same variables at play. The girls who exchange money directly for sex are prostitutes, the girls who marry or date for gain are, in my opinion, opportunists, and the girls who scam men for money are con-artists. Anna Nicole was an opportunist for example. If you think the situation here is so unique you have not spent enough time on the dating scene in the west, we have the same variables at play just on another level.

The difference I do see between prostitution here and in the west is that in the west you buy sex, here you buy a package deal that includes making you feel wanted even loved, companionship and sex. Clearly the package deal here would appeal to any man so inclined to utilise such services.

 

[SanD]

I had a very pleasant evening in Radio City in Bangkok courtesy of ETV. I could not help noticing that there were half a dozen English girls sitting in the front trying to get attention and not succeeding. In the end they got up on seforum.xxxe and joined in with the band. They all left alone.

It must be disheartening to go out on the pull in BKK if you are a English girl. They look so big and clumsy compared to the Thai Girls and they know it.

Flame me if you want.

Mac

 

[wella]

To be more clear, I just can't for the life of me understand why anyone would fear posting.

I just don't think that way, sure I know if I come in here and have something to say I may take some flack for my statements, but then I'm not really concerned with everyone's feelings or what they might think of me, I am confident enough that even if the whole board hated my statements I would still be posting my thoughts.

Hey here's a thought for the board, would you want a totally anonymous section so you could say what you really thought?? I know what my thoughts are about this, how about anyone else out there please I would like to know.

 

[Katie M]

Now,Now!!! Dont be so childish Your only showing your true age and you dont want to do that now do you :blah: :blah:

PS: Yes your right thats "My Opinion" and just because someone does not like it, Does not mean I cant express it because then I would not be true to myself, And I dont do fake

 

[Amay]

eurothaigirl
I tried reading your posts but only get a bit into them and then get bored to tears,why woffle on again and again about the same old stuff.............if you like it do it ,if you don`t then don`t---simple!!!!!
Now you`ve got sxygirl in this post,it`s kool but twice now i `ve heard sexygirl say she is now cumming in december,if I can offer advice to both of you it would be please tell us something interesting,funny,witty or even true.........
Sxygirl I would advise you to not say you are cumming again,er coz look what happened last time you said it.........walk the walk and stop talking the talk
jeeeezus by december who knows what other reason you`ll have for not cumming
"Just do it"

 

[Master Road]

This thread pulled out some varied views....

Eurogirlinthai you're certianly articulate and if you want the same kind of interaction with a Thai guy then perhaps time and effort learning Thai to a good standard would give you better access to Thai men that you could have more dialogue with.

There is perhaps one single factor that will keep BG's/FL/TG out of bars/clubs that guys are around and that is a steep entrance fee - in BKK Q-Bar/SupperClub/Mystique have great mixed crowds but at 600 Bhat+ for entrance all but the smartest/experienced 'pro' will not take the chance of going home out of pocket. Here in Phuket ALL Patong's clubs (Tiger/Banana/TaiPan/Baya Beach/Safari) are primarily pick-up joints for TG's if you dont want that - and since me and my wife prefer clubbing together - have got sometimes jaded with the 'scene' too sometimes - finding a place more 'normal' is hard. Surin is more upmarket - places like Silks, Bed Supper Club or Watermark (Yacht Marina) have no 'scene', but are accordingly expensive.

JoJo78 has given a good list of Phuket Town hangouts - but as we drive, prefer to avoid Phuket Town as they do have many checkpoints after 10.30pm and getting busted drink/driving in Thailand is not pleasent !

Most Thai guys in Patong clubs are there for Japanese and Korean 'romantic' liasons and I used to party hard with my Thai friend who made lots more than the average BG from his exploits! Thai men love to drink (lots) and hence will not drink at expensive foriegner orientated bars - Nicke and others have mentioned Galaxy in Patong - worth a look, but music so loud that chances of conversation are small (but that is normal for any Thai-centered niteclub).

Would guess that TG/BG's like to chat with you anyway as they find farrang girls 'facisinating' - you maybe should try Cocktails and Dreams too - less pressure in the Katoey scene .... and you like to walk the wild side a bit - after all they are Thai guys too!

All in all Phuket should be good for a visit - but long term here, you'll probably have similar feeling to your experinces in Pattaya. As far as the 'scene' goes the farrang scene is tiny (less than 15%) of the asian scene - the majority of girls are 'working' for domestic consuption and the asian (Japanese/Chinese/Korean) trade and while the 'scene' can get annoying at times - the Thai penchant for sanook more than makes up for this.

Chok Dee

 

[Jimmy G]

No Tarzan, I am saying that a guy that would be with a bar girl is not the kind of guy I would be with. Has nothing to do with moral judgements has to do with personality types I like. Yes I use the fat farang thing but I actually have picked that up from Thai girls I am friends with, and they have lived here all their lives, so their observation not mine, though there is a huge proportion of them I must admit.

Now as for telling the girls I am not interested, yes it works for guys but what do I tell them I am not interested in, their attention and desire to speak to me. Most of them sit around me and want to know where I got jewelry or touch my hair, my breasts even, or just want to chat, almost like children starved for attention. So while it is easy for the guys to say, not interested, that is the end. I am working here and on my own do when I first went out in BKK it was on my own and when I move to Phuket it will be on my own. I therefore have no reason other than, "You annoy me" to get rid of them. And I am not so rude, I am quite nice actually to everyone(though you seem to think I am some kind of *****).

I also CANT just go home, I work here so I have no choice but to be here right now.

Thanks Tally for the tip. I will defintely check it out. Any other suggestions are EVER so welcome!LivinLos I am waiting for your list!

 

[Pompal 09.]

Liam, you are young and have much to learn about women and life. I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors in that regard. You will need it. As for now, I wish to point out the following:

1)When one turns to name calling in a debate or argument, it demonstrates frustration, lack of control, and an inability to clearly comprehend and deal with the issues. (the namecalling you used was ANAList - very clever mispelling BTW, you obviously are possessed of a razor-sharp wit ).

2) You call humility a submissive trait, which proves the point I was making. HUMILITY IS A VIRTUE and it is only those blinded by a distorted cultural perspective who would even suggest otherwise. There is nothing submissive about humility. Jesus Christ was a humble man. St. Francis of Assissi was a humble man. Ghandi was humble. Mother Theresa was humble. Many great men and leaders were known for their humility. Take the time to talk to a monk when you are in LOS and ask him about humility. Maybe you will learn something. Incidentally, monks are extremely humble, and they are at the pinnacle of the social order in LOS. Every single Thai Buddhist must wai first when he meets a monk. Even the king and the queen must wai the lowliest monk. So is humility a submissive trait? No. In LOS, the most superior people, the monks, are the most humble, and that is as it should be.

3) I suggest you try to learn about Thai culture. There again, you are misinformed and have a very distorted perspective. Humility is valued in men and in women. If we could all be more humble, what a better world we would live in. It seems as if you don't even understand the meaning of the word "humility," if you think it is an inferior trait.

4) I only used the words inferior/superior because you used them, and I can't think oa better words, since if you use higher/lower, it brings the same connotations as superior/inferior. In Thai culture some people have higher status then others. That doesn't make them superior. An older brother has a higher status relative to his younger brother. That doesn't mean that his younger brother is in any way inferior to him.

I'm sorry that you can't understand the rather simple logic of the points I made in my previous post. I will take that to mean that you are just stubborn and resistant to new ideas which you may not be comfortable with, rather than conclude that you lack the intelligence to understand simple logic.

JayBee

P.S. There is nothing automatic about women controlling relationships. They must make an effort and the man must ultimately allow them and not stand up for himself. Men, however, are weakened by their strong sex drive when dealing with women, spouses, in particular, because if they don't make the wife happy, she won't put out for them. Then they are stuck in the precarious position of ceding power, being celibate, or being an adulterer or philanderer, which the makes them vulnerable to guilt trips and charges of being an immoral, unfit person. It is a very easy game for a wife to play, if she chooses to do so. Many women will choose to do so, because they want to be in control. It is natural for most people to want to be in control. That is why the 50/50 concept is politically correct rubbish. It is also why any woman, or man for that matter, who is willing to voluntarily allow a spouse to be the head of the household and have the power to make decisions for the good of the family is often an demonstration of strength, not weakness. It takes incredible strength, discipline, and commitment to give up power, because that goes against the natural instinct most of us have, which is to want to be in control, to want to have the power. Very few men have that kind of strength. When men lose power in a relationship, it is usually involuntarily, under duress, because the woman has seized the power. mg: Nothing automatic about that! Women, including Thai women, are no different than anyone else when it comes to feeling the desire to be in control. :biggrinlo

 

[NobodyRoxas]

SAT thanks for a very thoughtful and very well presented post. Your feedback is well appreciated. Funny enough I am looking at a flat in Surin as it looks quite nice, the flat that is. I really do not want to be in such up-market places that I have no chance of meeting a good thai bloke. To me katoeys are girls, all but the most masculine of them so I do not see them as thai blokes, but they are loads of fun. I must say, since I was so incredibly misunderstood when I got here, one of the best nights out I have had in Thailand was in Patpong one night when I sat with about 5 bg's and some ladyboys and just hung out and talked to them. It was really late and they were "done" I presume as they were not actively pursuing anyone just sitting and hanging.

I can speak a little thai and can understand more and if the other party has no english or "nit noi" then I can get by. If I am completely honest what I look for when going out is either very young farang blokes, 18-25 or just normal Thai men(they can get away with being older ;-) I am very hesitant to pull Thais because of my HIV paranoia so if I look for a thai man it is more to get to know him than anything else, it will not be a one night stand!

Anyway I appreciate your post!