Perplexing client

  • Thread starter Thread starter Baps .
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 9
  • Views Views 976

Baps .

Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2009
Messages
56
Reaction score
0
Points
6
I have a client, relatively new, who has some strange issues with her legs. From her ankles almost to her knees the muscles are hard and stiff, like nothing I've ever felt before. The naturopath who referred her to me said they felt "petrified", that's the best description I can come up with.

Some background.....She's 50ish, has fibro. About 10 years ago she was diagnosed with leukemia, went into remission for about 2 years. In 2001 she had a bone marrow transplant and more chemo, was told she had only a small percent chance of surviving more than a few years. So far, she's doing great. Her main complaint, besides being tired and achy from the fibro, is her legs. They hurt constantly and her walking is being affected because they are so stiff. None of her doctors have any idea what is causing this, one suggested it was the fibro, another suggested it was the transplant.

Any ideas?
 


What's her water intake like? And does she do any physical activity?
 
Lymphedema

It could be a lymphatic issue. Lymphedema is a common side effect of chemotherapy. I've seen this in my practice. In the books, they often show lymphedema as distorted swelling, but there are milder cases where the swelling doesn't look distorted, but manifests as a hard, fibrous swelling of the lower legs. Here's a good description from the perspective of a person who has chronic lymphedema: http://www.lymphland.com

Mamajen, I don't know if you're still working with this client, but if you are, I recommend referring her to a lymphatic drainage specialist. Or, if you're interested, you can pursue training in this specialty yourself. One resource is: http://www.iahe.com/controller/IaheCurriculumDisplay?curriculumCode=LDT
 


I had a client who had similar problem - she was diagnosed with Scleroderma. Hardening of tissue, there are several different kinds and they all affect different parts of the body.
 


As I was reading the first post I kept thinking about my mom. I knew what i was going to post then I get down a few more post and healingtouch already posted it.

Sounds to me like Scleroderma. My mom has it and her muscles are stiff as well. No amount of work done to them will loosen them.
I would ask her if she has been checked for it and if she isn't I would advise her to ask her DR. to check her for it.
I will say though when I would massage my mom, her muscles felt strange. There was zero movement in them. Painful to her and she would expect me to make it better and no matter what I did it never made it better.
I can't massage her anymore for my own personal reasons. After everytime I massaged her I would walk away from her and cry as I would feel what this disease was doing to her.


Please keep us informed of your client. I wish her the very best! and you as well!
 


Thanks for the scleroderma info! This sounds just like my client. I will definitely ask if it's been mentioned at all.
 
Scleroderma

Mamajen,

Before you mention the possibility of Scleroderma to your client, you should know that this can be a progressive and fatal disease. (This is only the case for 1/3 of those diagnosed; for the rest, the disease stays localized). Either way, there’s no cure, so it can be a scary diagnosis. I’m not saying you shouldn’t mention it to her. In fact, prompt diagnosis and treatment may minimize the symptoms and lessen the chance for irreversible damage. However, your approach needs to be gentle. If you want more information, here’s a good website:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362
 


One other thought... just as an aside - she may well have something in the sclerodermal range. Another thought though, and it would definitely be better in regard to outcome (so we can always keep our fingers crossed) is that medication can really affect how the muscles feel. Hopefully this is just a by-product of all of the medication she has been taking.

Even a few asprin will make the muscles "feel different" on occasion. So, I am figuring if that is the case--- just what can happen when you've been undergoing something like chemo?

Here's hoping for the best in her situation.
 
Shoutbox
  1. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: 🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,open long weekends ensuit shower available 🍅, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax oil message back walking hot stone and nice body slide,🍅big big boob sexy face Joey is very good looking,amazing ending,really popular,must try🔥
  2. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Monday May 19, 2025, our attendants will be Vicky 🤗, Mia 🤗, Sandy 😍, Ivy 🥰 and Sophie 😍. Call us at ☎️(905) 479-6668☎️ to book!
  3. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : 💰💰100 hh all in💰💰 ❤️❤️ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🩷🩷Elena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and 🍑🍑ASS, 💋💋Mimi 24, Asian mixed White , very open-Minded , 😈bbbj , DFk 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  4. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls Downtown toronto 72 gerrard st west:💋💋 New girl gaga Serving The Queen 💋💋Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks 💋💋
  5. SL East Spa:
    💆‍♀💖Sexy Sunday 💜💖 Ultimate destination for Asian massages🎉 Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville✨ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan — 🆕Angela, Eva, Yoyo, Jenny, Julia, 34D Cici, Julie, Tiffany & Linda🎁🍁 Ring us 📞647-695-6354 or text us 📱647-578-8169✨ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill 💰Where Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits🙌
  6. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    ✨Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! ✅ Click Here Today🌸Brandy🌸Akame🌸Melissa🌸Tiffany Call us ☎ 905 - 265 - 2158☎️ Your ultimate service awaits! ✨
  7. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: 🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,open long weekends ensuit shower available 🍅, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax oil message back walking hot stone and nice body slide,🍅big big boob sexy face Joey is very good looking,amazing ending,really popular,must try🔥🔥
  8. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️( 647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️( 437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥💋Limited Time Special Promotion🔥💋 ✅💦30 Minutes Nude Massage
  9. wilson holistic centre:
    💕💕Beautiful Korean girl Anna working at 382 Wilson Ave 💕💕☎️☎️416-840-0071❤️❤️
  10. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FLOWER – 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6, Markham 📞 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 🇻🇳 JULIE (Vietnam), 🇮🇳 SONIA (India), 🇻🇳 AMY (Vietnam), 🇭🇰 JOJO (Hong Kong, 9PM–2AM) 📅 bit.ly/flowers_schedule ⚜️ bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  11. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS – #06-1102 Centre St, Vaughan 📞 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 🇻🇳🇭🇰 CICI (Vietnam/HK), 🇵🇭🇻🇳 LUXY (Philippines/VN), 🇻🇳 SHERRY (Vietnam), 🇸🇬 CANDY (Singapore) 📅 bit.ly/flowers_schedule 🐍 bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  12. FLOWER Spa – PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS – 3300 McNicoll Ave 📞 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 🇮🇷 ELINA (Iran), 🇭🇰 JOJO (Hong Kong), 🇻🇳 MIKA (Vietnam), 🇨🇴 MEGAN (Colombia) 📅 bit.ly/flowers_schedule 🦩 bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  13. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at 💋535 Evans Ave today 💕💕💕☎️☎️416-531-6969☎️☎️
  14. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Cici Cute Vietnamese Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed Petite girl Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl ☎️647- 446-0886
  15. Nu spring spa888:
    🌹🌹🌹sexy hot Singapore 💖Filipino 💖 Korean girls 👍working at Nu spring spa💋💋☎️416-669-8508🌹🌹🌹
  16. Annie Spa:
    Gorgeous Young New Tight Korean Butt Yumi working with Sexy Young Sweet Summer and Sensual & Pleasing Busty Boobs Coco today. Call or text 647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879☎️☎️✅✅
  17. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Jennifer, Sophia & Cindy. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded. Come and give her a try, and you’ll be sure to come back for more. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  18. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: Amy & Fiona. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Don’t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. 🌴😎🌅HOLIDAY SPA🌅😎🌴 3517 Kennedy
  19. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Molly 25’s with big buttocks open mind and young pretty Lily 25’s with curve body, young flirty Ivy with 36DD curve body open mind 30’s and cute GFE cute are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  20. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at 𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟮𝟵𝟴-𝟬𝟴𝟵𝟴. Alice spa has 3 beauties to choose from today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (10am-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. LINA (12:30pm-9pm): is a young Hispanic girl, hot body, C Cups
  21. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: ANA, CHRISTINA & HANA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5’1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. HANA is slim
  22. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : 💰💰100 hh all in💰💰 ❤️❤️ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🩷🩷Elena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and 🍑🍑ASS, 💋💋Mimi 24, Asian mixed White , very open-Minded , 😈bbbj , DFk 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  23. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 9 hot brown girls today 🌸 YUKI, PAOLA, AMMU, MONIKA, ANNA, MEGAN, ANAYA, NUR 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  24. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls working today, Yoyo and Mimi, both of them are young, beautiful, sexy and cute. They work very hard and seriously. The deep massage and relaxation massage are very good!
  25. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa 🌹🌹🌹2 girls 🔥🔥🔥5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke☎️416-817-3366👍 Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub😘 Japanese girl Nina ❤️ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD 😘Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable😘😘😘😘 very provocative service😘😘😘, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise😍😍😍😍❤️You are welcome to make an appoint
  26. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness ♥️♥️90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, 🍭🍬ON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Superstar Lisa, Sexy Monica, RMT Rose and Beautiful Tiffany on duty🌹.
  27. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ♥️♥️ADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 ♥️♥️(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) ♥️TODAY'S Schedule!♥️ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Sexy Faye, Magical Mia and Work out🏋🚴💪 Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS ONLY $70 🌹🌹**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY IS 🍭🍬MIA AND AMY🍬
  28. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Sunday May 18, 2025, our attendants will be Vicky 🥰, Ada ️, Cici 🤩, Lucy 😘 and Ivy 😘. Call us at ☎️(905) 479-6668☎️ to book!
  29. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: 🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,. 4young beautiful girls working everyday(open long weekend),Ensuit shower available 🍅,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work.more experience ,🍅nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet smile,open maid,everything she can provide,really popular girl,must try🔥
  30. SL East Spa:
    💆‍♀💖Sexy Saturday💖 Ultimate destination for Asian massages🎉 Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakville✨ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea — Cici, Yoyo, Amber, Juliet, GFE Eva,Echo,🆕Julia, Lucy, Akino & Jenny🎁🍁 Ring us 📞647-695-6354 or text us 📱647-578-8169✨ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill 💰Where Eastern charm meets Western comfort - Your Black Friday Bliss is Here!🙌
  31. Spa in Markham:
    ⚜️ Golden Flower Spa (Unionville) 📍 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6, Unionville, ON 📞 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 💋 Hot bodiesskilled handselite service 🔥 Classy, seductive & fully satisfying 📅 Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule 🔗 Booking: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  32. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    🐍 BlueXado Spa (Vaughan) 📍 1102 Centre St, Unit 6, Vaughan, ON 📞 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 💦 Clothes offmind off – just relax 🌀 Young beauties, deep care, unique vibe 📅 Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule 🔗 Booking: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  33. FLOWER Spa – PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    🦩 Pink Flower Spa (Scarborough) 📍 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit A8, Scarborough, ON 📞 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 💗 Sweet, gentle, feminine touch you'll love 🌸 Soft hands, beautiful smiles, total care 📅 Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule 🔗 Booking: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  34. Nu spring spa888:
    💖💖💖sexy hot busty Singapore 🌹 Indian 🌹🌹korean girls🌹🌹working 💗💗at markham ☎️416-669-8508❤️❤️❤️
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    ✨Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! ✅ Click Here Today🌸Candy🌸Melissa🌸Xuka🌸Amber🌸Monika Call us ☎ 905 - 265 - 2158☎️ Your ultimate service awaits! ✨
  36. EMSpa_schedule:
    🔥Ready for a fantastic time?🔥 Today (Saturday), our amazing attendants are Vicky 🥳, Lucy 😘, Ivy 🤗, Opal 🤗 and Sophie 😍. Call us at ☎️ (905) 479-6668 ☎️ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at 💋535 Evans Ave today 💕💕💕☎️☎️416-531-6969☎️☎️
  38. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : ❤️❤️ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🩷🩷Bella 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and 🍑🍑ASS, 💋💋Mimi 24, Asian mixed White , very open-Minded , 😈bbbj , DFk 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  39. Soul Relax Spa:
    ✨ Looking for a relaxing escape? ✅ Click Here Meet🌸Vivian🌸Valentina🌸AnnaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now ☎ 289 - 298 - 5662☎️ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! ✨
  40. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa 🌹🌹🌹 Three girls every day 🔥🔥🔥 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke ☎️ 416-817-3366 👍 New❗️New girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty😋 open service 😜😜 Sexy girl Suki deep massage 😘😘😘😘 Hot and sexy body very provocative service 😍😍😍😍❤️ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 5 hot brown girls today 🌸 AMMU, JANVI, MONIKA, SASHA, JOEY, BELA, MIMI, SALMA 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Sara, Tracy & Cindy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5’1” and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Don’t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. 🌴😎🌅HOLIDAY SPA🌅😎🌴 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs
  45. wilson holistic centre:
    💕💕Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave 💕💕☎️☎️416-840-0071❤️❤️
  46. wonderspa:
    🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,. 4young beautiful girls working everyday(open long weekend),Ensuit shower available 🍅,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work.more experience ,🍅nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet smile,open maid,everything she can provide,really popular girl,must try🔥
  47. SpringGreen.:
    The weeked is here .New spanish tina💋💋Bunny miya,angel and tina are available today.These busty attractive girls provide a high level of service with a smile. call and text message ask questions thanks 💋💋647-891-0699 call and text quentions thanks 💋💋
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Michelle 25’s with curve body open mind and young cute Kitty 26’s with curve body open mind, young flirty Yoyo with 36DD curve body open mind 30’s and nice GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️ (647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️ (416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Judy😘🔥Our new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
  50. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Yuki Sweet Singaporean Girl Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Elena Vietnamese girl Cici Cute Vietnamese Girl ☎️647- 446-0886
Back
Top