Chat After a few years of hobbying, I opened up to some old friends about it...

[LittleCarrot]

Lololol

still you are misunderstanding my main points, but thats not a problem for me.
you have a lot of pain and trauma. those unable to give love, have not known or received love. im not hiding.. ive asked you once before and ill invite you again, like to a few otheres, we can meet for lunch if youd like, i can be your friend and help you

 

[Boston Man Chowder]

How did your family and friends find out? Did you tell them? If you don't want them to scold you about the money you're spending, then you shouldn't have told them about it. But it's too late now. You can't turn back time, unless you get help from Doc Brown.

Haha. Doc Brown is happily retired in the year 1885 with his wife and two sons. No need to bother the man.

It's all fine and well. My family doesn't bring it up anyway and it's not something that's been discussed at the dinner table often. You know some parents. They'll question anything that doesn't involve bills or living expenses.

 

[LittleCarrot]

throughout my life my old man would always make the same comment every now and then about how common and accepted prostitution always has been throughout the history of his native country, relative to whatever the conversation happen to be about.
after the 3rd time hes mentioned that, i started to take notice on the repeat of his statement, and began questioning... lol to this days hes mentioned it several times.
now rewind back to 2 years ago, we had a family gathering with all the other relatives for dinner, and my uncle whos an infamous idiot, started talking at the table about how he went for his first massage and how good it felt because he had a bad back and does not get it treated, he went on and talked about his he went with my old man LOL, at that moment my father tried to not hear anything he was saying and remained silent... suffice to say no one replied or questioned what was said and everyone just moved on...
god damn, for all i know one of you fuckers might me my old man!

 

[bumzbumz]

Bro you mean to tell me you’re paying for Sex and your intention is to care for them and develop a relationship with the girl? I’m sorry homie but are you on crack? The girl would never give you the time of day outside of a parlour. Hence the reason why you’re paying for it. What type of knob goes to a whore house and wants to care for a chick and develop a relationship???? Only an imbecile would do this. Honesty and real is you and everyone else on this forum knowing that they are paying for whores and their Pussy period. This dumb shit about oh blah blah blah a barber and his service you wouldn’t treat them like crap etc etc. You’re using the whore as outlet a sexual Fkn outlet because you’re tired of wacking it. Are you not ? Come on fam selling your body vs selling a hair cut? The fk? So let’s put it like this... you pay 140 to what treat the girl like gold? What you think by you sticking your little carrot in her or her sucking your dick is treating her good? It’s against her own will if it wasn’t for the money. You think girls do this because they like it ? Or they want to look for something real and genuine ?Holy Fk bro take Tylenol 3 for fks sake. Barbers cut because they like it they enjoy. Whores do it for money period. Fk bro you got to be a Fkn moron to think otherwise. Ppl go in there to bustanut and nothing else. No girl would give you a relationship or give two fucks about you if you didn’t open up your wallet period.

I have said similar things to others who go into pay for play for the wrong reasons. No matter what you say it will just be ignored and those guys will end up both angry and heart broken when the truth finally hits them.

I never could understand how a guy thinks a SP wants them if she contacts them to meet up and he has to pay. She has bills to pay and he is one sucker that will help her. She isn't horny for him.

 

[OG_funguy]

I have said similar things to others who go into pay for play for the wrong reasons. No matter what you say it will just be ignored and those guys will end up both angry and heart broken when the truth finally hits them.

I never could understand how a guy thinks a SP wants them if she contacts them to meet up and he has to pay. She has bills to pay and he is one sucker that will help her. She isn't horny for him.

And I have said many times that guys like you (and others) are painting all MPAs with the same brush because you haven't experienced anything else. Not blaming or putting anyone down for their narrow mindedness but they aren't all the same. One simple test is MPAs who are retired but will continue to see you, no money involved, because they want to. This kind of shit happens much more than you think...no one is getting heart broken, it's more a FWB situation.

 

[bumzbumz]

And I have said many times that guys like you (and others) are painting all MPAs with the same brush because you haven't experienced anything else. Not blaming or putting anyone down for their narrow mindedness but they aren't all the same. One simple test is MPAs who are retired but will continue to see you, no money involved, because they want to. This kind of shit happens much more than you think...no one is getting heart broken, it's more a FWB situation.

I am not sure if you actually understood what I just said. I mentioned payment you're mentioning no payment.

 

[TheKWguy]

Why does this type of topic keep coming up?

Gals dont care about anything except the money. They 100% know guys want to fuck, discounts and all the services under the sun.

The gals pretend to be gfe and hussle. Think of this as the new strippers. Some of them are or were strippers.

Dont feel bad, they know how to pace and all the tricks to get out of dodge. This is exactly why they work tables vs are sps

Anyone who talks about the hobby to ppl in rl should be single. Anyone who is not has shit for brains.

 

[OG_funguy]

I am not sure if you actually understood what I just said. I mentioned payment you're mentioning no payment.

Well, they weren't always retired, right. My point is not all MPAs are only about money while they are working and one of the ways to know this for sure is when they will continue to see you after they quit the business.

Bottom line is it kills me when guys come on here and say definitive stuff like "all MPAs are like this or that...". No, they aren't.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

And I have said many times that guys like you (and others) are painting all MPAs with the same brush because you haven't experienced anything else. Not blaming or putting anyone down for their narrow mindedness but they aren't all the same. One simple test is MPAs who are retired but will continue to see you, no money involved, because they want to. This kind of shit happens much more than you think...no one is getting heart broken, it's more a FWB situation.

When using edibles I experience emotions that I have not felt in decades. Although I feel I am the same person I have always been, I have changed quite a bit. It is one thing to remember having felt a particular feeling, it is another to actually re-experience that feeling - it is downright strange. One thing this has brought home to me is that two people can be in similar circumstances, appear to evaluate them the same way but have very different feelings about them. We try to understand others by imagining ourselves in their place, but in reality we have no clue as to what is going on in their heads. Another realization is how strongly our worldview is affected by the zeitgeist. You do not need edibles to know this, just watch old movies or tv shows to see different world views in different eras. We are strongly influenced by the prevailing narrative. Making judgements and putting simple labels on MPAs and hobbyists is a waste of time. Another lesson is that my judgement is highly influenced by my self interest. As a teenager I adored Kate Bush - beautiful, quirky, talented, smart, unusual, a young singer/performer/writer who had a lot to say. When I see videos of her in middle age I no longer have those feelings - she seems screechy and pretentious. POV. We cannot truly understand others, especially MPAs who we see for a short time in a narrow circumstance, so humility and respect should be our default modes. How we judge them is really how we judge ourselves.

 

[OleDirtyBastard]

This is one of those threads that feels like group therapy for the hobbiests who spend time thinking about how this (usually) secret, solitary hobby affects other parts of our lives. Our concerns about how others will judge us are actually ways that we are judging ourselves. For some of us it's a really big part of our lives - put aside the time/money you spend at MPs/SPs and think about all the time you spend on this forum, thinking about and planning your next visit. It sucks not being able to open up to close friends about it but this forum can serve give some of us the sounding board we need.

Whether you're a guy who falls in love with MP's or makes a point of dehumanizing them and bragging about how you abuse them, everyone in this forum who joins these kinds of threads, is dealing with some kind of issue about how we connect to women and how we use the hobby to deal with our version of that issue. I'm very far from the "red pill" men's right activist way of thinking but its definitely much more complicated to figure out what being a man means in 2020. I've got some more good book recommendations.

I appreciate the guys here who seem to get that and want to share their perspective to help others deal with their shit. I also appreciate the guys who write detailed reviews about who which girls do DFK and have fresh smelling pussies. We can be good men who want to work on ourselves and help others while still enjoying this hobby.

When using edibles I experience emotions that I have not felt in decades. Although I feel I am the same person I have always been, I have changed quite a bit. It is one thing to remember having felt a particular feeling, it is another to actually re-experience that feeling - it is downright strange. One thing this has brought home to me is that two people can be in similar circumstances, appear to evaluate them the same way but have very different feelings about them. We try to understand others by imagining ourselves in their place, but in reality we have no clue as to what is going on in their heads. Another realization is how strongly our worldview is affected by the zeitgeist. You do not need edibles to know this, just watch old movies or tv shows to see different world views in different eras. We are strongly influenced by the prevailing narrative. Making judgements and putting simple labels on MPAs and hobbyists is a waste of time. Another lesson is that my judgement is highly influenced by my self interest. As a teenager I adored Kate Bush - beautiful, quirky, talented, smart, unusual, a young singer/performer/writer who had a lot to say. When I see videos of her in middle age I no longer have those feelings - she seems screechy and pretentious. POV. We cannot truly understand others, especially MPAs who we see for a short time in a narrow circumstance, so humility and respect should be our default modes. How we judge them is really how we judge ourselves.

 

[bumzbumz]

Well, they weren't always retired, right. My point is not all MPAs are only about money while they are working and one of the ways to know this for sure is when they will continue to see you after they quit the business.

Bottom line is it kills me when guys come on here and say definitive stuff like "all MPAs are like this or that...". No, they aren't.

Bottom line is if there is a monetary transaction that occurs whenever the guy sees a SP he should not wear his heart on his sleeve.

Yes not all MPAs are the same but let's be realistic here if a guy is paying her to see her. He is therefor paying for her time. So it would be foolish to think the SP likes hanging out with him or is horny for him if she is getting paid.

This is like thinking a handy man or Plummer likes you when he calls you to ask you if everything is OK. He is ultimately looking for money. sure he may have some care but bottomline he wants money.

Now with that being said if paying for a SPs time is what someone likes to do. I have no issues. but as others have said here. Don't catch feelings and think its a match made in heaven unless she enjoys being with you where there is no monetary transaction.

 

[Toomanymiles]

Title to body correlation is terrible op. But yes hookers get raped frequently. It’s why they can seem so off.

 

[OG_funguy]

Bottom line is if there is a monetary transaction that occurs whenever the guy sees a SP he should not wear his heart on his sleeve.

Yes not all MPAs are the same but let's be realistic here if a guy is paying her to see her. He is therefor paying for her time. So it would be foolish to think the SP likes hanging out with him or is horny for him if she is getting paid.

This is like thinking a handy man or Plummer likes you when he calls you to ask you if everything is OK. He is ultimately looking for money. sure he may have some care but bottomline he wants money.

Now with that being said if paying for a SPs time is what someone likes to do. I have no issues. but as others have said here. Don't catch feelings and think its a match made in heaven unless she enjoys being with you where there is no monetary transaction.

First of all, no one is talking about love here...that's a different story.

But clearly you just don't get it...so if I pay an RMT for a massage, does that mean it would be foolish to think that she could ever develop feelings and want to hang out with me?

Newsflash, MPAs are humans like everyone else! They can and will develop feelings at some point for some of their customers.

You and others that preach otherwise have not seen every single MPA out there so why make overarching presumptions. I can tell you from personal experience that you are wrong so not sure why you keep arguing this.

 

[SJRich1973]

Bottom line is if there is a monetary transaction that occurs whenever the guy sees a SP he should not wear his heart on his sleeve.

Yes not all MPAs are the same but let's be realistic here if a guy is paying her to see her. He is therefor paying for her time. So it would be foolish to think the SP likes hanging out with him or is horny for him if she is getting paid.

This is like thinking a handy man or Plummer likes you when he calls you to ask you if everything is OK. He is ultimately looking for money. sure he may have some care but bottomline he wants money.

Now with that being said if paying for a SPs time is what someone likes to do. I have no issues. but as others have said here. Don't catch feelings and think its a match made in heaven unless she enjoys being with you where there is no monetary transaction.

Damn....I did get screwed by some handy man or Plummer from time to time...and even locksmith can fool you Since then, I applied same principle just like what you alluded...These are paid services...It is all work and nothing personal...If you have that kind of mentality...It will result to lesser missteps or bad judgement. In the room is a business transaction. It takes a while to get accustom by looking straight in the eye without flinching. Because, if you do, then you are bound to make mistakes. It will be a long journey for you as hobbyist. Well, until now, I still make blunders. Just like any other aspects in life...Learning is a continuous process.

Stay safe, healthy and spend money wisely!

 

[bumzbumz]

First of all, no one is talking about love here...that's a different story.

But clearly you just don't get it...so if I pay an RMT for a massage, does that mean it would be foolish to think that she could ever develop feelings and want to hang out with me?

Newsflash, MPAs are humans like everyone else! They can and will develop feelings at some point for some of their customers.

You and others that preach otherwise have not seen every single MPA out there so why make overarching presumptions. I can tell you from personal experience that you are wrong so not sure why you keep arguing this.

First of all do a search for the word "love" here. Multiple people used that word.... I didn't type that word (until now), so I am not sure what your talking about on that. I can venture a guess that you are referring to catching feelings? If that's so then that is basically the topic that most people are talking about here. If you're talking marriage. I was not talking about that lol

No again you don't get what I am saying. If you have to always pay her for her time then (to say it bluntly) you would be stupid to think she enjoys seeing you for anything more than money. If you are seeing her and not paying her then that's a different story. like for example if things develop after some massage sessions and you're just hanging out with her enjoying each others company later......great! But If you're paying her to see her......you're paying for her time...she isn't horny for you or enjoying your company. It's a business transaction.

I did not say MPAs are not human and incapable of the concept of catching feelings for someone. I have no clue what alluded you to think that. I just said .....to sum it up if you are paying her...its business. Will that lead to something more? Who knows but if you are paying her for her to see you it's a business transaction.

Arguing? ummm you replied to me with your input and I replied back. A few people here understand what I said and added their input. no one is arguing here. We are all having a conversation.

 

[bumzbumz]

Damn....I did get screwed by some handy man or Plummer from time to time...and even locksmith can fool you Since then, I applied same principle just like what you alluded...These are paid services...It is all work and nothing personal...If you have that kind of mentality...It will result to lesser missteps or bad judgement. In the room is a business transaction. It takes a while to get accustom by looking straight in the eye without flinching. Because, if you do, then you are bound to make mistakes. It will be a long journey for you as hobbyist. Well, until now, I still make blunders. Just like any other aspects in life...Learning is a continuous process.

Stay safe, healthy and spend money wisely!

yes exactly it's paid services.

when it's not then that's different....simple

 

[hangul99]

Tell your friends how much you spend a year to bang dirty whores. They will call you a loser behind you back guaranteed Baby

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Do your friends call you a loser to your face?

 

[OG_funguy]

Damn....I did get screwed by some handy man or Plummer from time to time...and even locksmith can fool you Since then, I applied same principle just like what you alluded...These are paid services...It is all work and nothing personal...If you have that kind of mentality...It will result to lesser missteps or bad judgement. In the room is a business transaction. It takes a while to get accustom by looking straight in the eye without flinching. Because, if you do, then you are bound to make mistakes. It will be a long journey for you as hobbyist. Well, until now, I still make blunders. Just like any other aspects in life...Learning is a continuous process.

Stay safe, healthy and spend money wisely!

You want to keep it business which is fine...that's different from someone saying that just because we pay for their services that it would be foolish to think they would ever get horny or want to hang out.

 

[OG_funguy]

yes exactly it's paid services.

when it's not then that's different....simple

No one walks into the spa the first time and expects to get free services so of course you're paying...but to say it's foolish to think they would ever get horny or want to hang out just because you're paying them is plain stupid. That's pretty much the same as saying any paid service provider (e.g. real estate agent, lawyer, hairdresser, RMT, hygienist) would never have the hots for a client. I don't know what to say other than you either don't hobby too much or have totally different experiences from me.

This is a job for them, of course you need to pay. You are taking up time that might otherwise go to another customer plus they still have to pay the boss, etc. Even in a BF/GF scenario, I'm pretty sure they would not want their BF to go to the spa and expect free services. Again, IT IS A JOB. If you can get your mind past that then you will realize they are human with emotional and sexual needs just like anyone else.

I'm quite close to several MPAs and we talk about pretty much everything. I can tell you with certainty that MPAs do like and have feelings for certain clients. In many cases, the client doesn't even know so there was never any activity outside the spa and everything was paid all the time. But 100% they had the hots for the client and would easily have hung out if the client pursued that, regardless of money. If you don't think it's possible for them to develop feelings or get horny because they're being paid, then you're either very naive or not doing something right...

 

[SJRich1973]

You want to keep it business which is fine...that's different from someone saying that just because we pay for their services that it would be foolish to think they would ever get horny or want to hang out.

There are only 24 hours per day. In this time frame this what happens: At least 6 hours to sleep, 8 hours of work at the very least to make decent money and build disposable income, house errands give or take 2 hours, 2 hours to laze around while making plans where to hunt, browsing massage planet to enlighten me for 1 hour and that is without responding to any posts, well, I exercise too and to add cooling down...it would be 2 hours, I have to eat 3 times day, go figure how much it will take with all the preparations. Damn...I watched Mulan 2020 movie today. It was epic. Now, I am having second thoughts hitting one of Asian spas in Richmond Hill. Mulan is perfectly beautiful....But, I cannot afford to be kicked and sliced

As you can see, I don't have the luxury of of the likes of Edward Lewis. I hope there is no Pretty Woman 2.0.

Don't get me wrong....I did the whole shebang of hobbying...from GF's, falling for it, happy, sad, depressed, I love/miss/like you in several languages, dating, restaurants, cooked and prepared food, gifts, birthdays, hotels, Niagara Falls, outlet malls, movies, zoo, ROM, Casa Loma, CN Tower, and lots and lots of restaurants...Several years later....I don't remember them all....No worries..I am not broke...But, I would have been thousands richer Hey...No judgement...Fellow hobbyist.

I am unsure what is your angle or trying to get. Obviously, we are living on different planet, albeit, it could be universe!