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I have recently been worked on with some techniques that are ancient, yet new to me. Tui Na and Cupping Massage, specifically. After doing some reading about cupping massage, I decided to buy a kit & practice a bit. During the month of July, I will offer a few minutes of cupping - gratis, and will begin to offer it as an add-on and stand-alone modality after that.

When I am being 'cupped' (BTW, my practitioner uses the fire cupping method; I am using suction kits for safety concerns), it is extremely enjoyable & I feel as though I have had very, very comfortable deep tissue work done. So far, I have just been worked along the liver meridian (along the erector spinae & sometimes cresting over the ribs). I have never bruised in the least. My husband (wonderful guinea pig) stays reddened & 'almost bruised' for about a day. I find that using Biofreeze on his back afterwards is decreasing the markings.

Here's some of the reading I have found.

http://www.massagetoday.com/archives/2004/02/04.html

http://www.aegeantherapies.com/qa_cupping.php

(hope those work for you all)

Some of the things I am excited about are that it could lead to a new vein of deep tissue work, especially for those clients who have really seforum.xxxnating tissue or 'armor' that makes my work painful for me to perform. I am also extremely excited about experimenting a little with using it (plus those dang back-ordered peel-off wraps) for cellulite work.

For those that want to caution: I am very careful to practice, read, watch my obvious and intuitive contraindications, etc. Most of the TCM sites that I have been reading from say with a few precautions, it is safe enough for family use. (!)

I got the kit for $28 plus shipping (total of about $39 for me from MA to AZ on 3-day air) from http://www.LhasaOMS.com.

Would anyone care to offer any insights, wise words, etc? (I am so excited about this!... please post! ha ha)

Jill/sagetherapist
 
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I have recently started cupping, & oh my. My clients love it.

At first they are like what? And after I kind of talk theminto just trying it, they love it. And most have sent me new clients.

It really makes it easier on my hands. Deep Tissue no more. Bring on the cups.
 
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http://www.massagecupping.com/index.htmWhen I posted before, all of the table at the top of the page of this particular site was not functioning. Now it is. Its very exciting info.Jill/Sagetherapist
 
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http://ycyhealth.com/products/SuctionCupping/Literature/whatisthecupping.shtmlHere's another set of questions & answers, etc.Jill/Sagetherapist
 
Greetings Jill,Thank you for the info and shared enthusiam towards TCM. I am quite intrigued by this cupping. I had heard about it but hadn't considered using it (until now.) Some accounts I had read some time ago reported suction bruising for weeks..almost as if one had encountered a big hug from an occtopus...smile. I guess this is where the intuiitive knowledge and applied skill of the practitioner is vital. ย Yet the said benefits of this unique technique have remained a curious interest...so your present experiences/comments are right on time...smile.I truly appreciate expanding my horizons here because with all ancient modalities...I have a deep respect. For these techniques have endured centuries of humanity's "continued" usage...that certainly says something about their affectiveness (to me at least.) And this is where I feel the skill and knowledge of the practioner IS what makes the difference.I am also just coming into a greater appreciation of elemental and meridian theory. I recently took a Tui Na wkshp which has transformed some of the work I do in terms of some of the applied techniques I learned. I have truly yet to delve into the "science" of Tui Na but that is coming very soon. The response thus far has been VERY positive, and that only compells me dig deeper - ye know how that goes....smile.The healing arts are an extension of my love for the martial arts. I am begining to realize the harmonious and symbiotic relationship/nature between the two. All the vital pressure points one would use to disable a potential foe are the very same ones would use to heal them...very interesting I think. The vital essence of Qi flow is certainly no joke. Attempting to understand them and apply them in terms of skilled bodywork is a continued work in progress..always evolving and very rewarding.Cupping sounds VERY interesting Jill...keep us posted on your experiences and I will do the same w/ Tui Na.Respect
 
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Tracey,I will. I do have a note about the bruising. I do not bruise when cupping is performed on me. My husband and one client that offered her back as a guinea pig (also a martial artist) have. It is not a black & blue bruising, and there is no pain. (perhaps because there was no injury??) It goes away in 2-3 days. I am only practicing a moving cupping massage at this point, because I feel that a reddening is good, a reddened-bruising is not what I'd like to offer! ha Especially at the 'wind gate', reddening is favorable, because that means you are increasing qi to improve or strengthen the immune response against colds/flu, etc.BTW, speaking of 'wind gate' and flu...Last month I had the flu. "M" worked on me, pinching at the wind gate (not comfortable at all) & making sure I didn't need to be 'reset'. She also did other TuiNa (liver, gallbladder, kidney) work. My flu came fast & furious, but I was finished with it all in about 3-4 days, including the usually-lingering nose blowing, etc. (this was respiratory flu, of course) that is unheard of for me. I tend to hold onto the sinus & throat symtoms (and especially coughing) for quite a few days after I feel well again.Mutual Respect to you!Jill/Sagetherapist
 
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oh no. And of course, I have plastic. oh well! I am learning to be quite careful about how to get the client to communicate with me & how to "see" that I'm not using too much vacuum.Just did a practice session on my sister. We worked the back, the legs & hips for cellulite type work, and she asked me to do the knees. She feels she has dimply knees. Honest to goodness, her knees reacted very well & there was a nice change in the appearance! JIll/sagetherapist
 
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Really. I have never tried them on the knees. I'll have to try that. Cool! ;)
 
I also do the cupping, with fire and glass cups. ย I was taught by my acupuncturist and I love it, though I do bruise. ย Most people I have done bruise but come back for more. ย I have just ordered another set of cups to keep up with the demand. ย It sure beats deep tissue work for 5-10 minutes and frees my hands to work on another body part while the cups do their thing!
 
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I was under the impression that you have to be an accupuncturist to do cupping. Maybe it's just Texas, or maybe I was misinformed. I have a client that has offered to get her mom to perform cupping on me, and I accepted, but have not been contacted back by the client's mom. Apparently she's been doing it for years (no license, and doesn't charge, it's just their family herieforum.xxxe) on family and friends. I'd love to have the work done, but besides this client's mother, I don't know many people around here who have even heard about it, let alone practice it.
 
Well, I definitely couldn't say whether Texas is an okay place to practice it or not. Did you read or skim through any of the articles? Two of them are in publications for MTs, and they don't say anything about restrictions. If I were you, I'd find a way to feel it soon, and get those cups! They'll turn you redder than those tanning beds do, and faster! ha ha. JK, Jeff. ย ;DJIll/sagetherapist
 
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Seforum.xxxg I have a friend in Texas that does the Cupping. And yes you need to have this done. It may bruise you but you want feel it. Its great Baby.
 
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I'd LOVE to get it done, it's just contacting that client to say "Can I visit your mom?" that's difficult. I'm trying to find her number again, but I don't remember which client it was, I just remember the conversation. Maybe I'll just call all the clients that came in last month and ask if their moms do cupping, lol.As for the legalities of it, it's called 'massage cupping' from what I understand, so I'm not exactly sure why we'd be restricted from it, it was just something I was told only those with accupuncture licenses could do; something about placing of the cups causing issues for clients. Does ABMP cover cupping if you use fire?
 
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They'll turn you redder than those tanning beds do, and faster! ha ha. JK, Jeff. ย ;D

JIll/sagetherapist

Hehehehe. I didn't get burned this last time! I had a spray-on tan, which almost half has come off by simply taking a shower (never getting spray tanned again from the salon I work at, and not recommending it to anyone else). So now I'm back to the tanning beds, only going for a shorter amount of time. I'd really like to just get some sun, but time restrictions don't allow me to go out anywhere to lay out. Something also tells me that my landlord doesn't want me sunbathing in the parking lot at my apartment, lol.
 
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ha ha Jeff. In New York, we used to tan on the rooftops... called it "Tar Beach".Jill/Sagetherapist
 
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This sounds so interesting!Does anyone know if there is a place I can look where there are seminars that are being held?I looked on massagecupping.com and saw a list of practisioners, but the classes they offer are so few and far between and not close to home!Good luck to all who try this and I hope to get in on it soon!Stacey
 
Hi everyone,I have been experimenting with massage cupping for a few months and have found it to be phenomenal. ย Using fire sounds a bit scary but if you take the precaution of having everything ready (cotton balls, clamp, denatured alcohol, candle, and container for used cotton ball) close at hand it's fine you do not douse the cotton ball with alcohol. ย Once the cotton ball is lit and placed inside the glass cup to create heat/vacum you quickly blow it out and place in the container and place the cup in position on the person. ย Working with the glass cups feel a bit different from the suction cups and there are advaneforum.xxxes and disadvaneforum.xxxes to both and the techniques used. ย Cupping has been used for thousands of years in Ancient Cultures particularly in Traditional Chinese Medicine as part of the therapy to deal with disease along with 5 elements, meridians etc. there is a technique where the skin is punctured and cupped (bloodletting) Interestingly, I have had a few older people tell me that their parents used cupping on them as children for respiratory illnesses particularly those who migrated from Europe and was even told that long ago they performed cupping in barber shops :oMassage cupping is a modified form of cupping designed for practitioners like MTs and it helps to drain excess fluids and toxins, bring blood flow to the surface and loosen adhesions in soft tissue. ย It is a wonderful experience, the people I've worked on commented on the unique feel but enjoyed it.
 
I've added cupping to every single massage I did this week. Each & every person loved it. They all know that July is an offering, and in August I will charge a small extra ($5/$10/$15). I've asked almost everyone for a testimonial, so I can make a reception room booklet about it.Here's what I love about it: the back, neck & shoulders get so nicely warmed up & softened that Iam not aching after working my deep tissue clients.My last client this afternoon is a tough massage. I work that person every two weeks, like clockwork. Every other session is hot stone/deep tissue. In the 90 minute deep tissue (today), I did this: applied medium + a couple of long, slow introductory strokes, cupping for about 10 minutes, applied Sombra & worked the back for about 15 minutes, applied hot gel packs while I did one leg/hip/foot, revisited the back for more cupping with a smaller cup, applied biofreeze & massaged back until the 'slip was gone', ย then cold gel packs, other leg-hip-foot. That was the least amount of 'hard work' I have ever done on this person prone. I am so pleased with the way things are going with my cupping set! I only kinda wish, now, that I had invested in the set with the removeable magnets. I don't know alot about magnet therapy, but if it helps even more, I think I can increase the number of txs I can do in a day!Jill/Sagetherapist
 
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This is pretty amazing: try working on your own wrists & forearms with the cupping sets. wow. Its a little tricky at first, finding the appropriate size of cup to work the different areas, but worth the experimentation. Don't cup at the inside of wrist or bend of the elbow. I worked mine last evening including triceps/elbow junctures & deltoid attachments. Its a great tool to help yourself.Jill/Sagetherapist
 
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    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,young very beautiful new girl Cici, back walk ,body slide,amazing the end,give you warm and comfortable time must try๐Ÿ”ฅ
  29. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  30. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls๏ผŒNina ใ€Cindy ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super New girl โ—๏ธSuki, sexy girl .pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring
  31. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Akino, Cindy, Coco, Luna, Amber, JPN Yui, Cici, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  32. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls today, Niko and Kiki. They were both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back massage were great.
  33. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: APPLE: from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs, petite with natural C Cups, small waist, pretty baby face, smooth skin, very clean. Shaved tight Pu**y, strong professional massage. Available FS bbbj cim cof rim. BEBE is a young slim Vietnamese girl with a beauty face
  34. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Philippine ๐Ÿ’– ๐Ÿ’– Malaysia ๐Ÿ’– ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  35. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  36. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’• Wednesday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณKajal 23, Punjabi girl ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE & bbbj โค๏ธโค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris , Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต
  39. Golden Flower Spa:
  40. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  41. Pink Flower Spa:
  42. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Feifei๐Ÿ˜˜Our new Taiwanese beauty Feifei specializes in creating an intimate and deeply relaxing massage experience tailored to your desires. Her soft, skilled hands glide effortlessly, easing tension and awakening your senses
  43. HollywoodSpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: NICOLE & SISI. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž NICOLE is petite, slim and very pretty, with C Cups , long hair & a slim waist. She has nice massage and great services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMILY, KIKI & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body.
  45. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,young very beautiful new girl Cici, back walk ,body slide,amazing the end,give you warm and comfortable time must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  46. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LISA, LUNA, SUSAN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LISA is a cute & petite Thai/Chinese mixed beauty with decent massage skills and liberal services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SUSAN is small, slim
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Mia 25โ€™s with curve body and pretty Ella, fun Vicky with curve body 25โ€™s and flirty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธJessica๐ŸŒธAlettaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  49. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธMonika๐ŸŒธDanna Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
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